Advise Post #2 - The Language of Football

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Advise Post #2 - The Language of Football

Postby sencesor » 2009 Jan 21, 20:56

Heres another one from g.l. and because the pms dont work, i ask here from DeFrenZ - upload the "Explanation player" thread mate, i tried but the links dont work :( , and i think its a good one too. :)

credit to GoonerLover66

Anyway, time for my second advise post. This is the second part to my series of "Advise posts" and comprises of words that will benefit you in stat-making, some words that you'll see used in media articles or on internet forums to describe players. You'll also find that stat-makers will always use these phrases in their explanations, and I happen to be one of them. Now, not that this is meant to be patronising, but these words aren't exactly generic are they? Some members of the international community simply don't know what these words mean, and so I feel that they probably need explaining too. So here we go;

Attacking Intelligence
How well a striker can position himself or evade the attentions of his marker, it's what Konami simplifies to "Attack". A player with a lot of attacking intelligence will be good at breaking the offside trap, score from dangerous position as a cause of postional sense and will be classed as a poacher. Ruud Van Nistelrooy, Pipo Inzaghi and David Trezeguet are all examples of such a player.

Tough Tackler
How much strength a player puts into a tackle, but you have to remember that this doesn't make a player a decent tackler. It just makes him a strong tackler. A strong tackler will normally bring a player down to the floor when he tackles, not neccessarily fouling the other player. Players like Steve Sidwell or Gennaro Gattuso are tough-tackling players and this is an area that is exclusively covered by the Balance stat

Timing
Used to describe tackles or runs into the box. Now if a player "times his tackles well" it means that he wins the ball by going for it at an appropriate time. Well, let me explain it in another way. When a player goes in for a tackle before the player has got close enough to him, or after the player has got past him. That's mistiming a tackle. So the opposite is to time it well and win it effectively, without fouling the player. An example of this? Look at that tackle Bobby Moore made in the 1970 World Cup Final, it's possibly the greatest example of timing you'll ever see.
When used to say that a player "times his runs properly", it's a similar situation. Except that the player is trying to time his run properly to score, to get on the end of a cross or pass at the right moment.

So how does it come into stat-making? Well, l It's an area which is covered by the Response stat.

Dangerous Crosses
Now this is dependent on the player, a dangerous cross can either be a piercingly accurate one or a powerfully struck one. You need to read into the player itself to understand this. For example, Martin Petrov is a dangerous crosser, but that's due to him thumping the ball at a 60 mph when in a crossing position. So this can either be related to the Long Pass Accuracy stat or the Long Pass Speed stat.

Gritty
This is normally a term used to describe a player who is determined, not afraid to go into a tackle, rather tough and strong and hard-working. It's a word that was coined when describing the typical "British" player, an example of this kind of player would be Terry Butcher or Tony Adams, although a modern example would be likened to John Terry or Nemanja Vidic. This is word covers two specific areas; Balance & Mentality.

Scorcher/Sizzler/Screamer/Blast
A word used to describe a particularly powerful shot from distance. This is covered by the Shot Power attribute, although a player who does this frequently will probably have or deserve the Middle Shooting stat too.

Goal Hanger
Another word coined for poacher-esque players, they hang around the opposition box in an effort to win the ball and to be quickest to react to scoring a goal. Players like this include, once again, Ruud Van Nistelrooy and Pipo Inzaghi. This is an area that will be covered by a low value for Defence. However, you want to be careful when evaluating a player in this area. Because all poachers are goal-hangers, but not all goal-hangers are poachers ;)

Reading of the Game/Anticipation
I would like you all to note that having a decent reading of the game is not a seperate entity, it is simply a buzz-word. Another word used to describe how quick a player reacts or, more specifically, how quickly a player thinks and then reacts. So simply, it's a case of reacting quickly. A player who reads the game well will often be described as "anticipating 2-3 moves ahead of other players", and players like this include Paolo Maldini, Bobby Moore and even Daniele Bonera! This is an area covered by the Response stat, but I'd also like to note that if a player reacts quickly, he'll also put himself into decent positions. So you could say that this stat works in tandem (or concert if you will) with the Defence stat, that both co-exist together but are still different acts.

Vocal
Nothing to do with signing. If a player is vocal, then he tends to command/organise other players. Now there is some dispute about what areas affect this stat. For defenders it is argued that Team Work can affect it more than D-Line control, now this is due to the effects of D-Line control. Teams that have defenders with this Special ability, will be more likely to perform the offside trap. And with players like David Wheater, who are very vocal, you don't want that. However, raising Team Work too high would also have another flaw, because you'll find that with some players that they are "vocal", but don't have the greatest understanding with their defenders. And so when it comes to this area, you don't want to rate Team Work too highly. This is a lot easier to rate for Keepers, it's just Team Work. D-Line Control has no effect whatsoever on keepers.

There are many other words that you'll come across that you may never have heard of, and that's a fact, because sometimes people will also make up words for the hell of it to describe things. And I suppose that you could say that it is both the beauty and the flaw of language. But anyway, I hope this has helped you

NOTE: I'll most probably continue to add footballing definitions to this list, I feel that we need to make these words generic.

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Re: The Language of Football

Postby Alex_10 » 2009 Jan 21, 21:31

very useful!

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Re: The Language of Football

Postby DeFrenZ » 2009 Jan 23, 09:52

actually, i've made it quite some time ago :P

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Re: The Language of Football

Postby PMC » 2009 Jan 23, 14:14

I think some people misunderstand the term "vocal" when using it on PES... somebody who screams around doesn't have a high teamwork necessarily... its how well players interact on the pitch, how available they are for a pass etc. Fabregas is a good example imo as he always offers himself well and keeps the ball going no matter the circumstance.

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Re: The Language of Football

Postby sencesor » 2009 Jan 23, 15:25

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Re: The Language of Football
actually, i've made it quite some time ago

ordered-discussions-t5462.html


oh, cool, though (as u said there) it is a bit empty ;)

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Re: Advise Post #2 - The Language of Football

Postby Mouarikh » 2009 Sep 17, 12:21

Bump.

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Re: Advise Post #2 - The Language of Football

Postby Delta-309 » 2010 Oct 01, 11:20

I know I'm new, but I'm sure if English isn't your 1st language no-one will laugh if you ask what something means.

Football is full of slang/jargon unfortunately. :|

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Re: Advise Post #2 - The Language of Football

Postby Malakayi » 2011 Oct 02, 00:35

haha I know what you mean pal, while writing a post at PSD I'm virtually alle the time thinking about how our German descriptions would translate into English. :)

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