The Speed Merchants (!)

[Kanouté]

Well, now here's an important (imo) work to do in the hand. Which players should get the new S14 Speed Merchant card?
Maybe the name of it sounds like we should give it to only fast players but it's not that. This card should be given to agile players who is able to do very quick body turns in real as the card's explanation suggests. I think that it's important because it's sth like the dribbling styles (type 1,2,3,4) in the game that represent a player's way of dribbling for the realism of the game. For a start:

the players who are given this card in default database;

arshavin (true)
wright-phillips (haven't any idea)
krasic (true)
alexis sanchez (true)
piatti (true)
messi (true)
villa (haven't any idea)
ronaldo (true)
diego capel (haven't any idea)
ribery (true)
robben (true)
elia (true)
donovan (haven't any idea)
tamada (hai)
m. moralez (hai)
s. blanco (hai)

in addition to them;

adam johnson
robinho
iniesta

are the players who's come to my mind as candidates for the card first.

these are my thoughts. so let's see your opinions, please. it'd be great to get everybody's contribution for this important work.

[billy]

Still having Speed Merchant Fabián Orellana, and lots of players, who can modify it?

[Albo7]

Go in the players thread and write in there, the mods of the section should get the job done.

[billy]

Sorry but Im sick of this discussion. Theres no AGREEMENT. Theres people using the Speed Merchant card, and others just erase it from the stats.

I think we need a big deal, an accord, to define a single criterion. It is important

[billy]

Sorry but Im sick of this discussion. Theres no AGREEMENT. Theres people using the Speed Merchant card, and others just erase it from the stats. Confusion all around...

I think we need a big deal, an accord, to define a single criterion. It is important

[jurgens]

Theres no agreement? Yes there is. An agreement among the regular memebers that konami fucked up and massivly overpowered speed merchant.. The fact that it has been so severly toned down in 2012 is testament to that. Theres really nothing left to discuss. This decision was reached long ago.

[jorgecavs]

What about this card in PES 2012? Does the same effect as in PES 2011? I think we could revisit the addition of this card to the database.

[jurgens]

we don't make stats for 2012 anyways

[tasmin]

actually this card isn't that bad when you are implementing a player of this ability:

-in general not red agile or dribbler but when he turns he could show extreme body twisting and ball control.

this cards makes a blayer bending ridilucously .

[bitz]

There might be a few players who could make use of this card though I haven't tested enough. Giovinco springs to mind but I'm not sure yet. Tasmin were you thinking of any particular player?

[BigStu]

suarez?

[tasmin]

neymar possibly suarez,giovinco

[Fiddy]

Suarez, Messi, Giovinco, Capel...(all just possibilities)

[maidire80]

Classic Ronaldo and Maradona also deserve it in my opinion.

[Tellmo]

Hello
I do not agree with the card S05 - Speed ​​Merchant (i do not agree with its existence), are spoiling Messi, S05 - Speed ​​Merchant card is unreal (unreal movements, are greatly exaggerated! it is super easy to play with a player who has this card, anyone becomes similar to messi...).

[midnight]

in pes 2011 and 2012 , but i don't have the same feeling with the 2013 version , its quite good and balanced

[Tellmo]

in pes 2011 and 2012 , but i don't have the same feeling with the 2013 version , its quite good and balanced

Also seems more reasonable, but still is a card exaggerated, there should be...

[midnight]

seriously ? Messi is unplayable without this card , and so is the other players that has that specific moving / turning style IRL (Robben ,A.Sanchez, Menez ... etc)