The Speed Merchants (!)

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The Speed Merchants (!)

Postby Kanouté » 2010 Nov 10, 15:19

Well, now here's an important (imo) work to do in the hand. Which players should get the new S14 Speed Merchant card?
Maybe the name of it sounds like we should give it to only fast players but it's not that. This card should be given to agile players who is able to do very quick body turns in real as the card's explanation suggests. I think that it's important because it's sth like the dribbling styles (type 1,2,3,4) in the game that represent a player's way of dribbling for the realism of the game. For a start:

the players who are given this card in default database;

arshavin (true)
wright-phillips (haven't any idea)
krasic (true)
alexis sanchez (true)
piatti (true)
messi (true)
villa (haven't any idea)
ronaldo (true)
diego capel (haven't any idea)
ribery (true)
robben (true)
elia (true)
donovan (haven't any idea)
tamada (hai)
m. moralez (hai)
s. blanco (hai)

in addition to them;

adam johnson
robinho
iniesta

are the players who's come to my mind as candidates for the card first.

these are my thoughts. so let's see your opinions, please. it'd be great to get everybody's contribution for this important work. :)
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Re: The Speed Merchants (!)

Postby billy » 2011 Aug 23, 14:38

Still having Speed Merchant Fabián Orellana, and lots of players, who can modify it?
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Re: The Speed Merchants (!)

Postby Albo7 » 2011 Aug 23, 14:40

Go in the players thread and write in there, the mods of the section should get the job done.
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Re: The Speed Merchants (!)

Postby billy » 2011 Sep 09, 02:44

Sorry but Im sick of this discussion. Theres no AGREEMENT. Theres people using the Speed Merchant card, and others just erase it from the stats.

I think we need a big deal, an accord, to define a single criterion. It is important ;)
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Re: The Speed Merchants (!)

Postby billy » 2011 Sep 09, 02:45

Sorry but Im sick of this discussion. Theres no AGREEMENT. Theres people using the Speed Merchant card, and others just erase it from the stats. Confusion all around...

I think we need a big deal, an accord, to define a single criterion. It is important ;)
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Re: The Speed Merchants (!)

Postby jurgens » 2011 Sep 09, 02:58

Theres no agreement? Yes there is. An agreement among the regular memebers that konami fucked up and massivly overpowered speed merchant.. The fact that it has been so severly toned down in 2012 is testament to that. Theres really nothing left to discuss. This decision was reached long ago.
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Re: The Speed Merchants (!)

Postby jorgecavs » 2012 Apr 19, 03:44

What about this card in PES 2012? Does the same effect as in PES 2011? I think we could revisit the addition of this card to the database.
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Re: The Speed Merchants (!)

Postby jurgens » 2012 Apr 19, 03:57

we don't make stats for 2012 anyways
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Re: The Speed Merchants (!)

Postby tasmin » 2012 Apr 19, 06:05

actually this card isn't that bad when you are implementing a player of this ability:

-in general not red agile or dribbler but when he turns he could show extreme body twisting and ball control.

this cards makes a blayer bending ridilucously .
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Re: The Speed Merchants (!)

Postby bitz » 2012 Apr 19, 06:20

There might be a few players who could make use of this card though I haven't tested enough. Giovinco springs to mind but I'm not sure yet. Tasmin were you thinking of any particular player?
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Re: The Speed Merchants (!)

Postby BigStu » 2012 Apr 20, 10:10

suarez?
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Re: The Speed Merchants (!)

Postby tasmin » 2012 Apr 20, 10:32

neymar possibly suarez,giovinco
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Re: The Speed Merchants (!)

Postby Fiddy » 2012 Apr 20, 10:38

Suarez, Messi, Giovinco, Capel...(all just possibilities)
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Re: The Speed Merchants (!)

Postby maidire80 » 2012 Apr 22, 08:48

Classic Ronaldo and Maradona also deserve it in my opinion.
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Re: The Speed Merchants (!)

Postby Tellmo » 2013 Jan 02, 04:36

Hello
I do not agree with the card S05 - Speed ​​Merchant (i do not agree with its existence), are spoiling Messi, S05 - Speed ​​Merchant card is unreal (unreal movements, are greatly exaggerated! it is super easy to play with a player who has this card, anyone becomes similar to messi...).
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Re: The Speed Merchants (!)

Postby midnight » 2013 Jan 02, 09:19

in pes 2011 and 2012 , but i don't have the same feeling with the 2013 version , its quite good and balanced
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Re: The Speed Merchants (!)

Postby Tellmo » 2013 Jan 02, 22:16

midnight wrote:in pes 2011 and 2012 , but i don't have the same feeling with the 2013 version , its quite good and balanced


Also seems more reasonable, but still is a card exaggerated, there should be...
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Re: The Speed Merchants (!)

Postby midnight » 2013 Jan 02, 22:19

seriously ? Messi is unplayable without this card , and so is the other players that has that specific moving / turning style IRL (Robben ,A.Sanchez, Menez ... etc)
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Re: The Speed Merchants (!)

Postby abbod » 2013 Sep 01, 10:32



is this what Speed Merchants means ??
its unfair to forget 90 min play then you judge in one chance missing
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Re: The Speed Merchants (!)

Postby neil » 2013 Dec 05, 23:04

Neymar should have a speed merchant card

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