Nelson Rivas, Fortaleza FC

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Nelson Rivas, Fortaleza FC

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 09, 23:07



Rivas joined Inter Milan from Argentine side River Plate and has looked a useful addition to the squad coming from the bench to solidify a lead. Rivas is a mobile central defender who makes strong but often mistimed challenges, with decent overall speed, and good stamina. Rivas looked a good bet for a future starting berth until however a harrowing display versus Sampdoria in the Coppa Italia, where he was given a torrid time by Antonio Cassano until he was then reeled off the field by manager Jose Mourinho by half time. Since then Rivas was afforded limited few opportunities to impress and has since been loaned out to Livorno for the 2009/2010 season. At Livorno he has managed 6 outings, managing 1 goal and 3 cards so far. Rivas has shown a willingness to forage forward, running on the ball to then initiate an attacking play with a pass into dangerous areas. Defensively, his tackles can be heavy and wild resulting in fouls and sometimes injuries. Time will tell whether the former River Plate and Inter Milan defender will manage to secure a starting berth with the Amaranto.

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Re: Nelson RIVAS

Postby bitz » 2008 Dec 21, 00:46

He has also been utilized as a left back.

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Re: Nelson RIVAS

Postby Ace » 2008 Dec 21, 02:23

true, it could be:

Position: CB*, SB
Side: B

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Re: Nelson RIVAS

Postby danielfrancog » 2009 Jan 07, 04:52

good stats

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Re: Nelson RIVAS

Postby PMC » 2009 Feb 24, 22:22

terrible game against Man Utd.

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Re: Nelson RIVAS

Postby jmg721 » 2009 Feb 24, 22:26

PMC wrote:terrible game against Man Utd.

I had no doubt there would be discussion on this player after that match. It was my 1st time focusing on him...and geez he couldn't have played worse.

I hope the guys that made these stats are very certain of them. I have been watching Silvestre on Catania all season, and I can't imagine that Rivas is actually this much better than him....based on this one performance. Maybe just field rust :? BTW...did he seem this fast to anyone?

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Re: Nelson RIVAS

Postby Paddy » 2009 Feb 24, 22:30

How is he rated higher than Evans is the real question.

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Re: Nelson RIVAS

Postby PMC » 2009 Feb 24, 23:13

I don't know the guys who posted him

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Re: Nelson RIVAS

Postby Ace » 2009 Feb 24, 23:21

it's RAMVY10 (it's written in first post :D) I think he was a colombian user that made these stats based on Colombian or River Plate matches :?

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Re: Nelson RIVAS

Postby jmg721 » 2009 Feb 25, 00:33

Really...I though Ramv was indian :?

BODHISATTVA is still around...we could ask him where he got these stats from. Otherwise maybe one of our Inter guys can take a shot at a revised set of stats based on his time in Italy. I haven't seen him nearly enough....but hopefully someone has :ugeek:

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Re: Nelson RIVAS

Postby Ace » 2009 Feb 25, 01:06

BODHISATTVA (if i'm not wrong) i made slight changes on wrong stats (for example lower response).

About Inter games, he rarely plays, it's hard to rate him :(

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Re: Nelson RIVAS

Postby danielfrancog » 2009 Feb 25, 02:17

first i think hes even a bit faster but defence wise and especially responce should go down a bit BB hes a bit stronger NOw yes that was a horrible game but if you watch closely u can tell he was nervous and this is a clear example of a purple arow game mean he bearly plays
and then morinho put him as a starter against MANCHESTER !!! big mistake
my sugestions :

DEF 79-80 reason hes not a starter
BB 88 reason hes in inter
ACC 86 reason hes in inter
RES 79 BELOW average and special reason why hes not a starter

PS i now i said good stats but i never really look at them closely :mrgreen:

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Re: Nelson RIVAS

Postby jmg721 » 2009 Feb 25, 06:56

danielfrancog wrote:DEF 79-80 reason hes not a starter
BB 88 reason hes in inter
ACC 86 reason hes in inter
RES 79 BELOW average and special reason why hes not a starter

Not a starter isn't a good enough reason to lower Def IMO. But neither is lowering him after one bad performance. I brought it up largely to see if he was rated properly in the 1st place. I was thinking that def & response looked a bit high based on serie a ladders...
In that match I was really expecting a lot out of him, and really got nothing. He was even out ran couple times...when I expected that to be his strength. After that match I really doubt Mourinho will play him again. So I will have to refer to you my Colombian friend as our Rivas expert ;)

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Re: Nelson RIVAS

Postby bodhisattva » 2009 Feb 25, 18:35

Ace wrote:BODHISATTVA (if i'm not wrong) i made slight changes on wrong stats (for example lower response).

About Inter games, he rarely plays, it's hard to rate him :(


yes u are right i just made some changes cause the colombia guy overstimate him..and i sill think he's too...right now..
good phisic but not an inter player as he proved yesterday

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Re: Nelson RIVAS

Postby Dino » 2009 Feb 25, 18:39

He's a good player but u can't really expect him to be awesome when he just came back from a serious knee injury! Hell yesterday was his 3rd match of the season.

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Re: Nelson RIVAS

Postby DeFrenZ » 2009 Feb 25, 22:28

danielfrancog wrote:reason hes in inter


uhm, what spiked mace should we use? :roll:

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Re: Nelson RIVAS

Postby danielfrancog » 2009 Feb 26, 01:47

jmg721 wrote:Not a starter isn't a good enough reason to lower Def IMO. But neither is lowering him after one bad performance. I brought it up largely to see if he was rated properly in the 1st place. I was thinking that def & response looked a bit high based on serie a ladders...
In that match I was really expecting a lot out of him, and really got nothing. He was even out ran couple times...when I expected that to be his strength. After that match I really doubt Mourinho will play him again. So I will have to refer to you my Colombian friend as our Rivas expert ;)


im not sugesting this BECAUSE his not a starter am saing THIS is the reason why he is not his lack of positioning and hes slow reaction make him an BELOW average defender but he makes up with outstanding speed and strength ive seen quite a bit of him and when he got sold to inter every colombian on the was saing that inter got rip off but he has proven that he has and will continue to impreve but he still needs some more to get there and plus if u notice i did say that it was a clear example of a purple or down arow game and that he was clearly nervous and also sugested that he should ha a lot mor BB and speed

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Re: Nelson RIVAS

Postby Rfuna » 2009 Feb 26, 04:17

Every game I've watched of Rivas (of which I can count on one hand) his positioning has always been decent/average. his main problem has always been his tackling, its awful at times, like he's looking to injure a player. He rarely makes a clean tackle. So either response or defence (perhaps both, or is that harsh) will need to go down. I'm currently leaning towards response.

He's quick, I can't say how but definately not ACC:86. I'm not certain about the current TS value either.

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Re: Nelson RIVAS

Postby jmg721 » 2009 Feb 26, 05:48

I see what you are saying Daniel...
DEF 79-80
ACC 86
RES 79
I'm thinking from what we have seen from him in Colombia & Inter these seem like reasonable adjustments.

I don't know enough about him to comment about his Bal. 86 isn't a low value.

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Re: Nelson RIVAS

Postby danielfrancog » 2009 Feb 26, 06:07

jmg721 wrote:I see what you are saying Daniel...
DEF 79-80
ACC 86
RES 79
I'm thinking from what we have seen from him in Colombia & Inter these seem like reasonable adjustments.

I don't know enough about him to comment about his Bal. 86 isn't a low value.


ur rigth 86 is not a low value but the guy is a monster hes scary strong :twisted: thats why they call him tyson but maybe is best to wait and see him prove it first (if he gets the chance)

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