Name: Arjen Robben
Club: FC Bayern München
Number: 10
Position: WF*, SMF
Nationality: Netherlands
Age: 26 (23.01.1984)

Foot: Left
Side: Both

Length: 181 cm
Weight: 75 kg

Dribble Style: 2
Free Kick Style: 2
Penalty Kick Style: 1
Drop Kick Style: 1

Attack: 83
Defence: 47
Balance: 80
Stamina: 86
Top Speed: 92
Acceleration: 94
Response: 85
Agility: 93
Dribble Accuracy: 92
Dribble Speed: 95
Short Pass Accuracy: 80
Short Pass Speed: 81
Long Pass Accuracy: 82
Long Pass Speed: 83
Shot Accuracy: 79
Shot Power: 84
Shot Technique: 85
Free Kick Accuracy: 78
Curling: 84
Header: 69
Jump: 73
Technique: 89
Aggression: 90
Mentality: 78
Keeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 73

Injury Tolerance: C
Condition/Fitness: 6
Weak Foot Accuracy: 4
Weak Foot Frequency: 2
Consistency: 6


PLAYERS CARDS INDEX:
S01 – Reaction
S06 – Outside Curve
P06 – Speed Merchant
P07 – Mazing Run
P12 – Incisive Run


*Dribbling
*Tactical Dribble
*Reaction
*Outside


The Bundesliga has a new Dutch football star. Since Rafael Van der Vaart went to the royals from Madrid, the nice offensive style from the Netherlands was missing. But now in this season with Eljero Elia and Arjen Robben we have even two Dutch attractions in Germany. Even Robben, showing great performance in the Netherlands, in England and at last in Spain, might play the best season in his career for Bayern Munich now.
Born and playing in the youth of Bedum, he already went in young years to the neighbour city Groningen, to gain more experience and to have the chance playing in the Erendivisie, the highest league in the Netherlands. There, he immediately showed nice performances and hence it was no wonder other big clubs paid his attention. Consequentially PSV Einhoven bought him and his big career began. At Chelsea Robben made some nice games where he also won the title two times. In the year 2007 he went to the Royals of Madrid, where he played for two years, but never got really happy. Since the next era of Florentino Perez buying stars like Cristiano Ronaldo and Kaka he saw no use in Robben anylonger, hence Robben was finally picked up by Bayern Munich. There he gets the deserved tribute he hadn't at Madrid, and he pays it back with one amazing games by the another one and it will be no wonder if he earns the title for the best player in the Bundesliga of this year


Explanation:

Attack & Shooting

Now at Bayern Robben shows his full potential in being dangerous in front of the goal. Well, in the time at Madrid or Chelsea he also scored nice goals, but not so many as now. He always tries to find the gap in the defence, either with or without the ball. His good offensive sense makes him to a dangerous winger always cutting inside from the right side to shoot with his strong left foot. On a good day he easily put a lot of power in the shots, but mostly it is his great technique which makes him outstanding. Therefore you have to see some comilations of his most beautiful goals this season.

Balance

Some of you might wondering about this, but in my opinion Robben is a quite tough player, although it sometimes seems he is falling to easy. But he is even this sort of player, comparable with Cristiano Ronaldo. With his pace he is able to get through one or two, or even three players without knocking to the ground. Well, I don't know him so good from the last years, but he showed a decent against players of his height and also even taller.

Speed & Technique

Robben is one of the fastest players in our league besides Ribéry, Elia and Martins. Mostly he starts deep out of the defence to run his side along with full speed, for the opponents it almost impossible to stop without a foul. The game against Schalke 04 in the DFB-Pokal where he starts out of the own half till the into 18-yard box of the opponent and completes his action with a nice goal. His dribbling combined with an outstanding technique is another trade mark of him. As already said to the Elia set, both players are very similar in their dribbling style. If they have free space in front of them, they mostly tend to a “punt and run” dribbling to be quicker. Finally, at the opponent's box both show a very close ball control with fints to irritate their defenders. Whilst Elia tends to some oversteps and a nice roulette trick, Robben is more simple in this way. He always keeps the ball to his feet and dribbles in a way of slalom to get through the defenders. At the end he cuts inside to shoot with his left foot while Elia also sometimes passes back to a team mates being in a better position to score. To summarize, both seems to be quite similar in their ball control, but in the end they use different ways to get through.

Defence, Mentality & Team Work

Mostly Robben is stated as an egoist when playing, someone who only plays on his own. At Bayern it is almost the same, but he also can fight for his team. When the opponent is in ball possession, he goes back to help in the defence and to support his partner Philipp Lahm, hence he mostly starts to run deep out of the own half. But overall he doesn't show much of determination, not like Olic running all the time after every ball. In fact, Robben first tries to find a way alone when he has the ball, but he don't forget the others. Nevertheless, his stubbornnes makes him so dangerous in front of the goal, when always cutting inside. Without him his team hadn't stayed in the final of the DFB-Pokal and the semi-final of the Champions League.



Videos:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M1QiB_tslA[/youtube][/quote]


by monKevski

Ronaldo TS 90 Acc 96 DS 96
Robben TS 92 Acc 95 DS 95

Ronaldo can definitely beat Robben at speed without ball. Also Ronaldo's ball driving style is so different from Robben. He generally kicks the ball and runs behind of it so he could beat the defender also because of his superb acceleration. But Robben's always carrying the ball with his feet. So a speed race with ball, I'd say Robben would win. But don't forget agility and response values are other factors. Also they both are faster than likes of Pato, Eto'o, Nilmar or Elia (TS 90).

In my opinion they should be like that:

Ronaldo TS 91 Acc 96 DS 95
Robben TS 91 Acc 95 DS 96 -- Att 83 (I think it can be same as Ribery.)

Please don't get it like I'm buttering Ronaldo up. I tried to make a comparison.

Robben have score three freekick and Badstuber one then Ribéry one, I have also read it at Bayern homepage. But his first freekick is more curling and shot power then his second and third was more about his shot power. Robben never shot over the wall like Ribéry does. Robben more power in his freekick and Ribéry more on feeling.

Robbens speed is great and I dont think it need to change TS, DS and his Acc is good as it is I think. But I have write at Ribéry that his DS is overrated, it should be at orange like 92 something and DA should be higher. But I have not got an answer that yet...

Ronaldo is faster than Robben at longer distances, which means his TS can be higher than Robben, but you can't deny Robben is faster by a mile in the short distances. He can beat defenders with 10m to the endline,

So i suggest: TS: 91/92, ACC: 96/97, and DS: 96/97.

Robben doesn't lose speed as he is dribbling, and Ronaldo in my opinion does a little. Robben has quick feet and can manage many touches within a short distance when dribbling.

Agree with Attack 83, surely he has better attacking sense than Steven Fletcher at 81.

May I also suggest Talisman Card?
I have watched Robben play for Chelsea, Madrid, and now Bayern, and I can say that especially with the latter two teams, Robben can single handedly carry a team upwards. A good example would be the 09 Classico against Barca. Robben on the right just turned Abidal around, provided great incisive runs, fed Ramos for a header, ..., so i think he deserves the talisman card, as much as iniesta or gerrard.

Didn't that mean the same??



Also it should be like that then:

Ronaldo TS 92, Acc 96, DS 95
Robben TS 91, Acc 96, DS 96

But it would be way better see German mods' replies.

Talisman card is for cmf, amf and SMF. While Robben's positon is *WF we can't use this card. Also I have doubt about him having that card.

Also again I will repeat, both Turn cards should be out. He doesn't use these tricks for beating the defender or I never saw (so not so sure).

I think Robben plays well as SMF, if u look at currently with Bayern, or chelsea days, he plays a deeper role than the WF in my opinion. The WF would apply for his later days at Real, when they lacked a striker, with RVN's injury.

In the current system, he is SMF, so I feel that Talisman is applicable.

I do agree with taking out quick scissors and cross over turn, they are not robben's style.

But what do u think about attack raise to 83, on par with Kuyt, and the new speed adjustments?

I didn't mean the scissors. I meant Quick Turn, Cross Over Turn. But hey, you're right, he doesn't use that, too. What a straight player..

By the way, it seems like we're talking to only each other.

Kev and me will create a complete new set of him.

Waitin..

I remember watching chelsea v man utd at old trafford when ashley cole completely shut down cristiano and there was a moment where ronaldo picked the ball up and robben was chasing him but still ronaldo was quicker than robben but maybe people can say robben was just being lazy but to me ronaldo is quicker than robben .

Watch at 2.10 and see how ronaldo accelerates a bit away from robben.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y4edb0L ... re=related

Also now ronaldo seems to have got even quicker as his body muscles have helped but his endurance also has made him keep his speed for even longer distances.

Tell it to Xyder. He has always a reason to deny.. as you see I'm discussing some Ronaldo values in Robben thread.

Firstly, you are talking about TS, we are talking about ACC/TS ratio, not just robben's ts vs. ronaldo's ,
and that video was man utd/chelsea days, about 4 years ago, big change since then, and I don't think Robben was running Full speed, just looking at it; ronaldo put more effort into running past him.

Can we try keeping Ronaldo in ronaldo thread, and discuss robben's stats in this one?

I suggest a new picture:



God, he's fat...

Another amazing goal vs. Schalke today:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJD9Gyamhqw[/youtube]


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I still think this should be updated. Furthermore I think ATT can be higher, though we have updated him recently. COND could be even 6, this would be reasonable when watching him these weeks.

Concerning the discussions above: IMO his speed stats are good like they are currently.

Damn the acceleration is immense but the top speed is even scarier there,he is definitely quicker than i have ever given him credit for but the opposition maybe wasn't a match for his speed.

Even ribery seemed a lot quicker today.

I feel his ST could be higher aswell. He has been scoring a lot of goals while running and/or cutting inside. Also he doenst have problems taking ball on the volley for example.

Shot Accuracy: 79
Shot Power: 83/84
Shot Technique: 84/85 wouldnt be overrating him.
His fitness may be raised to 5/6 too as he proves that when he isnt injured, he is able to stay fit for multiple matches.

Westermann for instance is one of the fastest CB's of the league, probably just J.Boateng is faster than him. But when being in a running duel with Robben even players that aren't slow look like a cow duelling a race-horse .

About ST for me a little raise by one would be reasonable, but from my point of view more wouldn't be realistic. Ribery is slightly overated in this IMO and then Robben is already the by far best "non CF" of the league together with Ribery in this...

Thats true, but doesnt Robben simply score more goals were you need good ST for then even most of the CF? ST is about the technique of the shots: "ST = how well a player can strike the ball when making a shot. It also determines how well a player can shoot while under pressure from an opponent, or when twisting to kick the ball at goal from an awkward angle."
And I think this is actually one of the stronger points of Arjen aswell.
I mean, an striker like Dzeko (ST: 85) will still be more dangerous in front of goal because of his attacking positioning (ATT, scoring*, positioning*), SA, length, balance, 2 footedness, etc.

Usually it's always the same, defenders can't stop him though: he dribbles from the right to the left to get a shot with his stronger (or rather "only" ) foot. But IMO these aren't shots that are that much depending on his ST. It's mainly a combination of SA/ST and especially CURL as well. At the moment I can't remember that he did some shots from extremely difficult angles or when he just had a millisecond to shoot. Due to his world class dribbling abilities he "assists himself", getting the ball to a comfortable position with some needed free room to shoot. 83 would represent this quite well I think.

What do you think about a higher ATT? Guess 82/83 wouldn't overrate him, 83 would set him on a par with Ribery.

Check out the goal vs. France in the European Championships almost two years ago, that is nice shot technique For me a raise is not really needed as most of the time he manages to get a good shot because he is able to create enough space due to his immense pace

his shot attempts while running are definately incredible for a winger. Regarding ST, I believe that there are very few strikers who could hit a ball like that from such a position