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Ajacied_Breda1
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 Juan Manuel VARGAS
Name: Juan Manuel Vargas Club: ACF FiorentinaNumber: 6Position: SM*, SB, WBNationality: Peruvian  Age: 26 (05/10/1983 )Foot: L Side: L Length: 185 cm Weight: 85 kg Attack: 77Defence: 64 Balance: 85Stamina: 88Top Speed: 84Acceleration: 85Response: 81Agility: 82Dribble Accuracy: 80Dribble Speed: 85Short Pass Accuracy: 73 Short Pass Speed: 75Long Pass Accuracy: 82Long Pass Speed: 86Shot Accuracy: 74 Shot Power: 88Shot Technique: 77Free Kick Accuracy: 81Curling: 84Header: 68 Jump: 73 Technique: 80Aggression: 84Mentality: 81Keeper Skills: 50 Team Work: 78Injury Tolerance: BCondition/Fitness: 7Weak Foot Accuracy: 3 Weak Foot Frequency: 3 Consistency: 6 SPECIAL ABILITIES:*Dribbling *Middle Shooting *Long Throw Jose Manuel Vargas, dubbed the new Roberto Carlos. He has striking shot power and, more importantly, knows how to convert it on goal as good ol' Roberto. Also posses a good free kick and is speedy. Puts a good cross in the box too, overall a mini-Carlos. 
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Alex_10
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Re: Juan Manuel VARGAS
Incisive Run? I don't think he is that kind of player, he doesn't drift inside with the ball to attempt a shot, and when you see him at the center is clearly an order involved in the flow of the scheme. A side player who can have Incisive Run is maybe Maicon, but not Vargas..
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zuo
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Re: Juan Manuel VARGAS
/Vs Milan
*Decently fast
*Skilled ball at feet,particularly intelligent on the offensive endline,basically always able to beat the man/get a cross or the corner kick
*Much more times tries the cross instead of cutting in and shoot
*Is able to effectively 'Tank' away from Gattuso...Vargas 185x85(83 BB) Gattuso 177x77(88 BB-->[he's going to 85]....with Gattuso down to 85,probably Vargas do not need any BB point more
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manoloxcr17
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Re: Juan Manuel VARGAS
Maybe Vargas deserves that point more in BB.
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Shubitidze
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Re: Juan Manuel VARGAS
manoloxcr17 wrote: Maybe Vargas deserves that point more in BB. I've just seen him twice, but in both matches vs. Bayern he seemed very strong, stronger than 83 expresses. Does he equally play well as a SB, too?
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manoloxcr17
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Re: Juan Manuel VARGAS
With the NT yes, he do it well.
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jmg721
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Re: Juan Manuel VARGAS
Hi game has elevated with Fiorentina since the move to SMF. The Defensive reponsibilities as a LB were took him too much out of his game. Consider how big he is when considering a BB value. Also that in reality he probably has lost weight since these figures. And he we have increased his TS, ACC & AGI when he lost weight. Try out the values as they are, not sure if he needs more BB or not...but might be overkill.
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Alex_10
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Re: Juan Manuel VARGAS
I'm the only one who find his LP game really really inconsistent? can place the best cross ever a time and then skyrocket the next one.. ??
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jmg721
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Re: Juan Manuel VARGAS
That's why his LPS is +4 over his LPA. But his generally quality of his passes are very high quality.
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s-cobar
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Re: Juan Manuel VARGAS
IMO BB may be higher. When I see how he outmuscled van Buyten, yesterday, who is bigger and heavier, that was already impressive.
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Re: Juan Manuel VARGAS
Where does he best fit on the ladder for you all? Quote: 86: Mario YEPES (187, 79), Paolo CANNAVARO (185, 83), Daniele DE ROSSI (184, 83), MAICON (184, 77), FELIPE Melo (183, 80), Nicolás BURDISSO (182, 81)
85: Klaas Jan HUNTELAAR (186, 80), Kakhaber KALADZE (186, 76), Mirko VUCINIC (186, 76), Ousmane DABO (185, 84), John Arne RIISE (185, 77)
84: Marco ANDREOLLI (187, 81), Andrea ESPOSITO (187, 78), Marco BORRIELLO (185, 80), Cristiano DONI (185, 79), Daniele GASTALDELLO (185, 77), Cristian CHIVU (184, 81), Andrea RAGGI (184, 80), Jonathan ZEBINA (184, 80), Simone BENTIVOGLIO (184, 79), Davide SUCCI (184, 78), THIAGO Emiliano da SILVA (183, 79)
83: Sánchez CRIBARI (187, 79), Massimo DONATI (186, 75), Igor BUDAN (185, 80), Andrea MANTOVANI (185, 79), Alessandro GAZZI (184, 81), Matías SILVESTRE (184, 80), Alberto GILARDINO (184, 79), Nicolas FREY (184, 78), Hérnan CRESPO (184, 78), Paolo BIANCO (184, 77), Cristian ZACCARDO (184, 77), Thomas HITZLSPERGER (183, 80), Mirko PIERI (183, 78), Diego MILITO (183, 78), RONALDINHO (182, 80), Hugo Armando CAMPAGNARO (181, 85)
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manoloxcr17
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Re: Juan Manuel VARGAS
Maybe you will think that as a peruvian maybe I have a subjetive opinion, but the truth is that he is a rock and 84 or even 85 for Balance are good values for him.
Taking a look, and to compare him with other peruvian players he is equal o even stronger than Johan Fano IMO.
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s-cobar
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Re: Juan Manuel VARGAS
85 sounds fine - he isn`t on a level with de Rossi and Cannavaro - IMO.
On a level with players like Riise and Kaladze sound fair, cause Vargas is heavier than both of them.
and one more thaa Boriello is fine, caus eVargas is much more intelligent to use his body.
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jmg721
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Re: Juan Manuel VARGAS
That's why I'm not making suggestions because I feel I'd be looked at as bias because my Fiorentina love. And unlike the other Fiorentina stats I made, I haven't tested him out...so I'll stay out of it. But don't disagree, i just want to make sure we don't overrate him overall.
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s-cobar
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Re: Juan Manuel VARGAS
relax Jason. everyone makes the most of his favorite club, or?. Ron also makes the most at Inter (btw - I`ll never understand the 89 for GK Skills at Julio Cesar)
You got a very close view of the fiorentina players and you`re one of the best statsmaker, so it would be a shame if you don`t do much at the fiorentina.
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zuo
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Re: Juan Manuel VARGAS
I agree to to an 85.....his 185x85 body mass would do the rest. indeed Vargas is such a strong player...and if i may judge his 'power', i think it's much more related about 'staying on his feets' than on the tackling part. he is really hard to push away definitly.
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Re: Juan Manuel VARGAS
Nice to see you here. I was afraid you went into depression after the loss. We've really suffered this season, but at least I didn't have to suffer alone.
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zuo
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Re: Juan Manuel VARGAS
i would avoid to talk about us for this year,i am a bit 'resigned'-like.....just hope that this season is going to end soon. my only real wish is that Prandelli would sign again......he's the only real necessary thing for fiorentina. look what he can do with guys like Gobbi,Comotto,Kroldrup,Natali,or Donadel,or even De Silvestri if i may be a tad hard....is really a kind of coaching instructions style of play...the power of the group. He's really the "Wizard of OrZ".
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Re: Juan Manuel VARGAS
And the update? 
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Re: Juan Manuel VARGAS
yeah I'm also quite sure that he's easily as strong as Yssuf Koné (as if anybody knew who I am refering to  )
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Re: Juan Manuel VARGAS
Updated BB to 85 
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