A JOINT POST BY MR RVN AND GOONERLOVER66

Name: Francisco José Rodrigues da Costa a.k.a 'COSTINHA'



Club: Atalanta BC
Number: 23
Positions: DM*, CM
Nationality: Portugese
Age: 35 (01/12/1974)

Foot: R
Side: B

Height: 181 cm
Weight: 74 kg

Attack: 66
Defence: 79
Balance: 83
Stamina: 88
Top Speed: 76
Acceleration: 75
Response: 85
Agility: 72
Dribble Accuracy: 75
Dribble Speed: 73
Short Pass Accuracy: 77
Short Pass Speed: 76
Long Pass Accuracy: 76
Long Pass Speed: 75
Shot Accuracy: 66
Shot Power: 80
Shot Technique: 67
Free Kick Accuracy: 65
Curling: 68
Header: 83
Jump: 84
Technique: 78
Aggression: 60
Mentality: 82
Keeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 85

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition/Fitness: 6
Weak Foot Accuracy: 5
Weak Foot Frequency: 5
Consistency: 4

SPECIAL ABILITIES:
(*Playmaking)
*Covering

I'd reduce his response by 2-3 points. The timing of his tackles was usually erratic, resulting in him receiving cards.

Agree!
and remove *Playmaking
and reduce STA by 2 pts about 86

I don't know when Tom & Alex made these stats....but he hasn't played very much this season. I'm guessing it is more of a disagreement when the stats, than based on recent performances

My suggestions:

Stamina: 83-85
Condition: 5

He is very long injured.

He never plays but have more response and stamina than Felipe Melo....isit possible?

Playing time has ZERO influence on weather or not a player is higher than another in a single attribute.

Well that is not a commonly used term where I am from, and it might not even be used the same in english.

Anyway, to translate you statement:
Can you understand how you sound? It is like saying "I am hungry because I am hungry" instead of saying "I am hungry because I haven't eaten since breakfast." (as an example)

So basically you are saying that he is "overrated". The fact is that we haven't seen him enough to really know if he is still at this quality or not. We can't just lower people based off of articles or interviews. We base it off what we see on the pitch.

Here is my response right above your post:

Which is basically what I just said. We can discuss the changes in the stats, but it needs to be ladder based, and not just based off quotes from coaches.

oh but he plaied in no-official matches and his last performance was dreadful...

So he hasn't played in almost 2 years due to injuries, and not just because he is a "very bad" player. So you basically want us to guess how he'd play now? These stats were made by very good stats makers based on the last time he was playing. We can lower the stats if the stats on the site have evolved since then, but not just because he hasn't played. Look at Rosicky, Aquilani, C. Zanetti, etc.

in the last part of the 07\08season he begin to recuperate the injury but his physicall condition never be accetable and he totally got worse and atalanta decide to used the lawyers to break his contract...ok?

On a serious note(because this stuff is a freakin' joke now), I'd like to discuss how we can make these stats properly fit our ladders now. I'd like to lock this thread until he comes back and plays a few games, but I'll leave it open for proper ladder discussions 1st before I lock the thread.

Costinha in his last match didn't steal a ball....he was very slow and out of condition like in all the last period(that last from one year)
He was dribble by players of second category like he was a statue and he didn't resist all the 90 minutes in the pitch....but it was a match against a local team of trentino...his last appering...I saw it and Melo is 200 times better than Costinha ok?

with atalanta from 2007 he played only 1 match , how can you make stats on him, he is a finished player.

a player of 36 years that loses 2 and a half years of his career with injuries for me is finished.

I don't think he's this solid defensively anymore.

Currently he's on par with:
Esteban CAMBIASSO, Christian POULSEN

and ahead of Gennaro GATTUSO.

It'd surely be fairer to have him on 76 where he'd be on par with:
76: Daniele DE VEZZE, Ezequiel CARBONI, Cristiano ZANETTI, Mathieu FLAMINI

Injury C.. and I think that he is going to retire after this season. The stats should go down .. down and down...

he retired good player for porto best days.. legend for Porto FC